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Cathy and his chain were being appreciated because they were “guilty as
charged” of donating a cumulative $5
million dollars of corporate money to anti-gay groups, including the Family
Research Council, called a
Hate Group by the Southern Poverty Law Centre.
And in
my mind’s eye, I watch Jesus watch these snaking queues of Christians identify
with him by buying these sandwiches, and I believe he is very sad.
Why do I
believe this?
Because
it makes me and so many other Christians
cry. And Jesus when he sees us care—enough to give good gifts to our children,
to look for a lost coin, or sheep or son--uses the same phrase, how much more would his father care.
5
million dollars for the project of changing people’s sexuality, a
project with limited and dubious success, and to oppose gay marriage and gay rights!!
Oh, how
has the overwhelmingly positive message of Jesus—love one another; trust God; don’t
worry, the Father cares; there is true life only in God; forgive aught against
any—got reduced to being against gay marriage, against abortion, against gun
control, against immigration, against Barack Obama, against the democrats? Oh
my fingers hurt just typing all this!
* * *
Five million dollars is both pocket change to God which he can give those who ask
with a single good idea--and a significant sum of money.
It could
sponsor 11,904 children for a year, providing them with food, education and
clothing through World Vision at $35 a month.
It can provide clean water to 250,000
people who might otherwise die young from preventable water-borne diseases, or spend many hours a day hauling water, exposing themselves to violence and
sexual assault in the process. Nine
year old Rachel Beckwith raised $1.2 million, providing clean water for
60,000 people in Ethiopa.
Because
of early and unassisted childbirth, two million people suffer from fistulas. “Women
and girls with fistulas become pariahs. Their husbands divorce them, and they
are moved to a hut at the edge of the village. They lie there in pools of their
waste, feeling deeply ashamed, trying to avoid food and water because of the
shame of incontinence, and eventually they die of an infection or simple
starvation,” according to The New York Times. Dr
Steve Arrowsmith and volunteer doctors who work with the
Fistula Foundation could heal 11,111 women for 5 million dollars
And if
you believe, as I do, that man does not live by bread alone, but also by every
word from the mouth of God, 5 millions dollars will pay for the translation of
the entire Bible into 6.15 languages through Wycliffe Bible Translators’ The Seed Company (at $26 for a verse,
painstakingly checked through a rigorous six step process). We’ve supported a small part
of the Seed Company’s translations, and it’s very satisfying.
* * *
Which of
these activities do you think is closer to the heart of Jesus?
Will
funding anti-gay organizations make a gay person straight? Sexual desire stems
from our unconscious limbic system and the autonomic nervous system. Attempting
to change these is fraught with failure. Exodus International, (supported by Chik-fil-A) which attempts reparative, conversion therapy on gays, recently admitted that 99.9% of conversion
therapy participants do not experience any change to their sexuality
And if
they did? Is that what Jesus primarily came for? Called us to? To make gay people
straight?
Or is
his mandate that we follow him?
And, perhaps, in the process of following Christ some gay
people might marry a heterosexual partner. And some might remain gay,
but still love Christ.
Lonnie Frisbee who was
instrumental in the founding and flourishing of the Calvary Chapel Movement,
and instrumental in the
founding of the Vineyard when the spirit fell on hundreds of young people
as he prayed, Come Holy Spirit was
gay, despite his struggles, and died of AIDS.
The remarkable and saintly William
Stringfellow was gay,
and memorably wrote
Can a Homosexual
be a Christian? One might as well ask, can an ecclesiastical bureaucrat be a
Christian? Can a rich man be a Christian? Can
anybody be a Christian? Can a human being be a Christian? All such questions
are theologically absurd.
To be a Christian
does not have anything essentially to do with conduct or station or repute. To
be a Christian does not have anything to do with the common pietisms of ritual,
dogma or morals in and of themselves. To be a Christian has, rather, to do with
that peculiar state of being bestowed upon men by God….
Can a homosexual be a
Christian? Yes: if his sexuality is not an idol.
* *
*
And when did following Jesus become synonymous with defending “traditional marriage?” Or disapproving of gays?
What did
Jesus say for--or against gays? Nothing!!
His
message was love. His message was Himself. Come to me. Eat me. Drink me. Abide in
me.
And what
happens when we do so? That’s his business. He will take each of us through
different paths.
And so
there will be rich Christians and poor Christians.
Republican
Christians and Democratic Christians.
Christians who are pro-life, and
Christians like Ann Lamott who believe, to quote “there
are two lives involved in an abortion -- one born (the pregnant woman) and one
not (the fetus) -- but that the born person must be allowed to decide what is
right.”
Christians
who cheered on George Bush as he bombed Afghanistan and Iraq, and people like
our family who were so distressed by it that we immediately started applying
for jobs in other countries.
Gay
Christians perhaps, and straight Christians.
Christ is too wonderful a treasure, too rich a
feast to limit himself or be limited to straight people.
Christianity is a relationship, not a cultural
statement. God will
call Christians to be salt and light and sweetness in every area of society, among
the rich and among the poor; among the highly educated intelligentsia, and
those who follow the crowd; among conservatives
and among liberals; among the gay and among the straight.
* * *
So what
stand would Jesus take on gay marriage, and gay ordination, these schismatic
issues? We don’t know, but we can
surmise from the four loving detailed biographies we have of him.
Above all
things, he hated hypocrisy. He hated self-righteousness and
holier-than-thouness. He opposed the unthinking group mind. When the Pharisees
of his day all clung together, clucking their tongues, Jesus was on the outside
with the least and the last.
And these
were the people he sided with, reached out to, spent his time with: Zacchaeus,
who was notoriously dishonest. A woman caught in adultery. A woman who had led
a sinful life. A woman who had been serially married and now lived “in sin".
A hot-tempered, violent Peter. A friend of prostitutes and sinners, he was
called.
And if he
met a gay man or woman? He would have preached the gospel to him, as he would
to anyone else. He would have loved them, overwhelmingly. And they might in
response have adopted traditional marriage. Or perhaps, might not have. That is
between them, Jesus, and his Spirit.
Being is a
Christians is not about making gay people straight or picketing abortion
clinics or defending the intent of the American Founding Fathers or American
values.
It is about a relationship with a person. A
relationship which turned the world upside down in the first century (Acts
17:6) and will, infallibly turn our world upside down if we let it have its way
with us.
Amen! This is beautiful!
ReplyDeleteThank you!
Thank you, Baroness. And I didn't know you blogged. You've been so quiet about it!
ReplyDelete"Christianity is a relationship, not a cultural statement." It seems American Christians have forgotten that as we try to legislate the lost to Jesus. Our way will never work. We need to turn back to Him.
ReplyDeleteGreat post.
Margaret
I agree with your call for Christians to quit being hypocritical. I think the whole Chick-Fil-A debacle was incredibly stupid and to call it a stand for Christianity or for God is moronic at best. It was mostly a stand for people to be allowed to have personal viewpoints and be allowed to funnel their money to whatever charity or foundation they choose. Nothing to do with Christianity whatsoever.
ReplyDeleteBut I do think there is a need for "conversion therapy" or its like. Not everyone who has homosexual attractions necessarily wants to fulfill them. Finding help to change this fact about themselves is very difficult nowadays as the push is to "embrace your homosexuality". Mr. Cathy is certainly entitled to give to such charities as he chooses and I hope that he also gives to the charities you mention as well. I agree with you, they are certainly important and their needs are more widespread.
I find atheists to be at least as oppositional as Christians. So it cuts both ways.
Yes, Jesus lived with and spread His message to sinners and the church hierarchy criticized Him for it. However, to say that Jesus simply accepted these people without calling them to change is misguided. He called Zacchaeus to change his ways. He rebuked those who would stone the adulterous woman, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." Is the woman seeking an abortion without sin? Should she cast the first "stone" against her unborn child?
Jesus called on the serially married woman to go and "sin no more". He rebuked Peter for his outbursts many times, and He praised him for his devotion to Jesus.
I agree wholeheartedly for calling for an end to these petty disagreements between Christians and non-Christians. I think Christians have done their own part in destroying the definition of marriage. I think that these petty disagreements and "holier-than-thou" stances of many Christians, particularly on the internet, does a lot harm to the Christian faith overall.
I hope that I'm making some sense. I'm not good with words. Jesus is more than happy to accept all of us, sinner or saintlike and we are all called to the same. But Jesus also demanded change. He called us to seek to do God's will in the full, not to simply follow the rules and look for loopholes. And he called many to follow Him on His path to the cross. It's not a popular belief and many Christians seem to overlook this. Many will turn away from it. I hope that I will have the courage that Peter and all the apostles had. And I hope to emulate Jesus' love for everyone, from that annoying kid down the street, the atheist who hates me for having five children, and the loving friends who point me towards God's love and grace on a regular basis.
Blessings to you and yours...
I recommend the book Out of a Far Country. Chris Yuang says we are called to holy sexuality.
ReplyDeleteJesus also said Go and Sin no more. As Susan put so well. He calls us all but does not want to remain in our sin. We are not to keep on sinning.
And since Jesus is the Word of God, is not the whole Bible His words?
Amen to you for saying this. In another blog that I frequent, there was a huge and overly pious discussion about gays, gay marriage, etc. and through all the noise, I just kept saying "Jesus calls us to love one another, period." I was flamed with evangelical piety. I think that the inhabitants of this world of ANY faith have such incredibly bigger fish to fry and that the incredible amount of money wasted on "protecting God" from all this stuff could better be spent on all the things you mentioned and more. God is far, far too big to need us to protect Him from anything.
ReplyDeleteOn another note, I'd like to request a special entry in your blog whenever you feel inspired to do so. I'd like to hear your thoughts on "communal ethics". I recently took an online class from a seminary where the professor strongly espoused a communal ethics concept. That we live in community and our moral identity should be communally based. He poo-poo'd the more American tradition of moral independence. You had mentioned it briefly in this blog post...about Jesus' preaching against the Pharisaical tradition of the "un-thinking group mind". I find this un-thinking group mind to be a particularly dangerous yet prevalent side-effect of communal ethics. I'm interested in knowing more about what you think on that.
Thanks, MARGARET!
ReplyDeleteThanks, SUSAN, and welcome to my blog! I agree, Jesus hung out with the people you and I mention while calling them to a new, purer, holier life. I should have mentioned that.
Thanks for the book recommendation, MOLLIE.
Thanks LA. Afraid the term "communal ethics" is new to me, so obviously haven't done any thinking about it. Will put it on my radar screen of things to learn about and think about.
Anita, it's kind of my own term to describe systems of theology where ethical decisions are made within a community atmosphere and the individual's ethics are guided by the thoughts of the group rather than the private discernment of the individual. I believe that communal ethics is responsible for much of these kinds of radically polarizing leanings that your post talks about.
ReplyDeleteBT: You ask, Is homosexuality sin? I have my own opinion on the matter, based on a careful reading of Scripture.
ReplyDeleteBut the point it, since I am not gay myself, it is not my sin. Whether it is sin or not, is an issue for the gay person and Christ, not for me to decide. I have to repent of my own sins.
We see sin on a continuum, with homosexuality worse than meanness or gossip. Christ does not. He says anger is as bad as murder (or abortion, by extension) and eying a woman lustfully is as bad as adultery.
I am wondering if our Christian churches would be so powerful and light-filled if instead of focussing on the actions of the gay community etc. we ourselves took the beams out of our own eyes, and repented of our own sins?
Anita, precisely...let's keep our eyes on the prize. Debating over someone else's relationship with God is placing ourselves in the middle of a 100% private conversation and creating a barrier between someone and a private relationship with God.
ReplyDelete"the prize" is a deep and abiding love of all as h commanded us was above all other commandments (including all those "sins"). Remember too that "sin" is a wholly man-made term. If you look to the original texts, the word "sin" in the phrase "go and sin no more" does not mean what we have generally been taught it means. I am very very careful to not use the word at all because
ReplyDeleteA. A broken relationship with God is something we, as mere humans, cannot ever diagnose. It requires us to be in the thoughts of another, which we cannot be unless we equat ourselves with God. People's words are unreliable in this case since only God can know our true heart.
B. Jesus time and time again reminds us to look to ourselves to ensure perfection before even opening our mouths about someone else. Only legalistic Paul tells some early churches how to deal with folks who are not living lovingly within the communities. The hardest thing about Paul is that we generally have no idea what the precipitating factors were in these early church communities. We have no letters from them, only Paul's reply. Context, even in modern day English is everything. And unfortunately we are missing half of he conversation. Imagine all those overheard phone calls in your life...can you see how you could accurately record the one side but be able to "invent" a whole plethora of ideas about the other side you didn't hear. Paul must, in my opinion be read very carefully especially when he appears to be addressing a particular issue within a particular community.
All in all, I believe it is a natural tendency of humans to constantly look outwards and point out others' "sins". Jesus reminds us to instead use that energy to look inward and get ALL our ducks in a row before messing around with other people's. Remember the Pharisee praying about not being like that man over there...Jesus heaped the praise on the man looking inward, and admonished the man looking outward at others.
@bt...I didn't answer your other question. I think that our call to bring all into Christ is best accomplished through a Christ-like life of following the one commandment -to love others. Period. No exceptions. No pointing out sins. No "loving the sinner but hating the sin" (which I find to be a dangerous saying). No admonishments. Love one another as I have loved you. No qualifications. From that, all are drawn to God. Think about the people who have drawn people to God globally and what distinguished them. More deep Christians are gained through this very simple, unqualified love than through any preaching of sin and how to find it.
ReplyDeleteWe must, in my humble opinion, trust more in God to work in someone's sinful lives (including our own) and rely less on our own judgements and preaching about sin. God's job is to reconcile all to himself, our job is to love one another. Trust in God's ability to do the reconciling. It's hard not being in control, not being the sin police, but that's God's job :).
Bryan, the 6-7 verses of Scripture which deal with homosexuality say it is a sin. It is mentioned in the same verse as greed, which is pervasive.
ReplyDeleteOn the other hand, the many ordained gay people in many Christian denominations, including Anglicans I know, do not believe homosexuality is a sin. But that that is how God made them.
John Piper writes how he and other people honestly believed that inter-racial marriage was a sin and against God's will. http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2011/septemberweb-only/john-piper-racism-bloodlines-excerpt.html
They have now changed their minds.
The Christian church is going through a seismic shift in its thinking on the issue of homosexuality.
I honestly don't believe that I, or other Christian lay people, who are not active in counselling or church leadership need obsess over whether homosexuality is a sin, or not.
It is the Spirit who convicts men and women of sin, and guilt and righteousness, and we should leave the judgement of whether they are living in sin or not up to Christian gays to make. While we struggle with our own sin.
Why need we decide if the orientation or lifestyle choices of Christian gays are sinful or not? Shouldn't that be up to them and God?
Dear Bryan,
ReplyDeleteYes, it is has been quite a day. I have read your blog, by the way, and like and agree with your posts, and believe you and I are on the same side.
What upset me is how Christians are allowing themselves to be perceived as anti-gay and waste our energies on this issue when there is so much life and nourishment for ourselves and others in Jesus.
Anyway, I feel a bit silly for posting on this because it is not really an issue which affects me directly, since none of my family or close friends are gay, though we do have a gay employee, and have been helped much through the counsel of a local gay Anglican priest, a canon, no less, who lives with his lover, and does not believe civil partnerships are sin.
I think I am going to retire from this conversation, and think and pray about it some more. As perhaps I should have done before.
I prayed some, of course, and honestly believed that Jesus was sad to see the hundreds of thousands of people outside chick-fil-A supporting their president who was under fire for his views on gays. Thus allowing themselves to be defined by what they were against, rather than what they were for. And that he would prefer the money to be used for those in desperate need.
I don't have anything else that's useful or wise or new or worth saying on the subject, so, if it's okay I won't say any more, but think and pray some more.
Blessings, Anita
Excellent discussion! Thanks for the posting. Given that it sounds like Bryan (bt) is someone of the cloth or at some version of professional ministry, I totally see where he needs to make the determination not only for himself, but for his outward expression. For someone who just sits in the pews and may minister as a lay person to friends, I find that I am not called on to coach individuals on what is right and wrong, so I prefer to just accept what I think is right for me and not declare my beliefs to others. I'm not qualified as y'all are.
ReplyDeleteYou miss the point of the chick fillA dayThe people who bought from chickfillA were responding to the bullying tactics of3or4 mayors of major cities who said chickfillA would not be welcome in their city The owner said he believed in marriage between a man and a woman .. The apostle Paul makes it pretty clear that practicing homosexuality is wrong. That is part of God’s word. There are a lot of other things that are sin including adultery,etc. As a christian I certainly do not look down on such people but I pray for them to have a real relationship with Jesus .
ReplyDeleteThe Southern Poverty Law Center is one of the last groups I would as an, American and a believer in Jesus, give any credibility to.So if they call the Family Research council , a hate group please do not believe it. Go check them out both closely.Like I said before the Chick FillA day was not about being oppositional. It was about standing up for free speech and the right of people to believe in marriage between a man and a woman as the New Testament makes clear. Jesus loves gays,gossips ,adulterers,. He has paid the price for every sin committed,but we can’t stay in our sin and need his grace to really live
ReplyDeleteThanks, Frank and Bryan. A complex issue, certainly!
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